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Post by Crystal on Nov 6, 2009 11:04:25 GMT -5
Today I had to ban one of our members. As much as I don't like to do this I feel it was necessary.
Weloveourweasels seems to have a chip on her shoulder about a previous incident in one of our contests. In a recent thread she got upset about a post that was posted and pm'd me.
After further review of the thread, I did not find any wrong doing or did I see anyone attacking her. What I did see is that she obviously is just looking for a fight.
I explained to her that as far as that thread there was nothing that I saw that was breaking the rules and maybe she should take it easy and not let things get to her.
She did not like this and said we do not moderate on this forum and she then threatened TLH that she was going to go to proboards and tell on us. (for what I do not know)
Humm, I find that a forum works great when moderators don't get too involved. We let the members feel comfy around here and we believe that people have opinions and we don't like to silence our members just because we may not agree with them. As well as I feel this is an adult forum and as adults we do say things that aren't always rainbows and skittles.
Anyways, after she threatened TLH (well me in a pm) I decided it was time for her to go. So she is now banned.
I think about the things she had a fuss about and I think about the bigger problems in this world. It really isn't worth the fuss.
So thats about it.
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Post by threebrutalweasles on Nov 9, 2009 9:24:48 GMT -5
And you publicly announced this why.....? This type of thing should be kept PRIVATE. No one needs to know this. You could have simply banned her and left it alone.....What kind of forum publicly announces a ban....seriously that's low.
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Post by fizzle on Nov 9, 2009 12:23:12 GMT -5
geeez, i think maybe threebrutalweasles might be related to Weloveourweasels...  very funny... sorry. |
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Post by Crystal on Nov 9, 2009 13:01:25 GMT -5
And you publicly announced this why.....? This type of thing should be kept PRIVATE. No one needs to know this. You could have simply banned her and left it alone.....What kind of forum publicly announces a ban....seriously that's low. A forum that is a open book to it's members. One that thinks highly of their members and feels that they should know what is going on in their forum. I don't like to keep my members in the dark. They should know what goes on in their home too! |
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Post by threebrutalweasles on Nov 9, 2009 23:13:39 GMT -5
geeez, i think maybe threebrutalweasles might be related to Weloveourweasels... very funny... sorry. immature, not funny |
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Post by Lazy-Ferret on Nov 10, 2009 4:40:44 GMT -5
And you publicly announced this why.....? This type of thing should be kept PRIVATE. No one needs to know this. You could have simply banned her and left it alone.....What kind of forum publicly announces a ban....seriously that's low. How about, it is publicly announced, because it has an impact on all of us, for example, she was entered into the competition, but now her entry does not count. It is better people know now, than when it comes to judging time some time in the future, and suddenly her picture is not in the final count and no one knows why, or thinks it is a mistake. A while ago someone was banned, and it meant that a few items that they were going to donate to the raffle were no no longer available, so people needed to be told, so that they could move their tickets... Also by telling us as soon as it happens, we can go back, read the offending thread(s) and make up our own mind whether we think it is fair or not, and if it seems a bit unjust or hot headed, I am sure people would PM Crystal and say so, but I honestly doubt in this instance that is going to happen. Those are just a couple of practical reasons I can think of immediately, over and above what Crystal has written, and the fact that when people behave so childishly, and obviously do not take the subtle hints that they have been given that they are over stepping the mark, then what else is left to do but let everyone know, lets face it, most people are on several forums, so if they know how childish they are on one, especially a friendly one like this, then they may well be best avoided on other forums as well. |
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Post by threebrutalweasles on Nov 10, 2009 10:20:04 GMT -5
I guess so but this forum certainly isn't friendly
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Post by Crystal on Nov 10, 2009 11:32:09 GMT -5
I guess so but this forum certainly isn't friendly Humm, really? Coming from someone who has only posted on this forum after their friend gets banned? Also every post you have made except maybe 2 have all been negative. If you don't like it here, then you can leave too. |
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Post by threebrutalweasles on Nov 10, 2009 11:59:45 GMT -5
that person wasn't my friend i dont even know her name
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Post by fizzle on Nov 10, 2009 12:33:45 GMT -5
this place IS friendly, when people are friendly to us. but you didnt come in here to be friendly did you? no, you didnt. so sad.
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Post by Krissy on Nov 10, 2009 13:19:05 GMT -5
I really need to back Crystal up here. We almost never ban anyone, except for spam bots. All of the mods are active members here. We aren't here to police the board or to make everyone love each other but We are here to keep the peace, and to help anyone who needs it.
Since we don't ban members often we like to share the who what when and why's of what went on. I have been on many ferret forums and the mods are more like prison guards. and i honestly don't post out of fear. We don't want people to be afraid here. but we also don't want a free for all. We don't have many rules and i think the rules we have are fair for everyone.
I know I haven't been on as much as I use to, but if anyone needs to please feel free to reach out and PM or email me.
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Post by Busy Izzy on Nov 10, 2009 13:41:26 GMT -5
geeez, i think maybe threebrutalweasles might be related to Weloveourweasels... this place IS friendly, when people are friendly to us. but you didnt come in here to be friendly did you? no, you didnt. so sad. I Agree... After a NINE MONTH "hiatus", you, 3viciousweasles (or somthing like that), return with your first post in this thread... THEN the "Earmites" thread... FOLLOWED by a "condecsending" reply to the "Washing the Octo." thread. Lets not even mention the "Duh..." comment. If it floats & quacks like a duck...  *Edit was a mistake in quotes* |
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Post by Darklight on Nov 10, 2009 14:04:32 GMT -5
This forum is very friendly, and the mods are some of the best Ive seen around. Theyre very fair and as they have said, almost never ban anyone unless just reason is shown.
Sadly, almost everyone is thinking the same thing- A person gets banned for being negative and snappy and then someone with a name close to it shows up acting nearly the same way..
I think if you chill out, give less....obnoxious replies to simple thread questions, and stop trying to cover your rear for something you apparently haven't done, this place will seem more friendly..
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Post by girly-lazy-ferret on Nov 10, 2009 15:23:52 GMT -5
I can't phrase it any better than Buzzy Izzy or Lazy, if you can't get on with people on here, then you are going to think other forums are awful.
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Post by mlove on Nov 10, 2009 18:50:46 GMT -5
TLH is a very friendly place.  Crystal is very good about informing our members when something happens that may effect us all. Being honest and upfront about TLH issues is appreciated by the majority of our members. I for one like being kept "in the loop". |
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Post by claudettebillie on Nov 10, 2009 20:48:50 GMT -5
Hope I will be able to write this the way I want it to sound.
While I don't think the public announcing of WeLoveOurWeasel's ban was necessary, I understand that the option of announcing it is up to the admins and such. If I didn't know Jessica, though, and I saw this announcement stating that she was banned, I would be leary of her on other forums, and she doesn't deserve that criticism. If she was JUST on this forum, it wouldn't be so bad, but she's very active on several forums.
I know Jessica on multiple other sites, and while some words she writes may not come out exactly as she'd planned, I know she doesn't mean it in any negative way. Sometimes things can be read wrong, and will be replied to. I think sometimes we can take those replies to what we've said as insulting or hostile, and Jessica is not one to sit back and let the insults come.
NO, no one intentionally insulted Jessica, but I don't think she meant to insult anyone, either. We all have times where we don't pick the exact right words, and something comes out TOTALLY wrong. Text can be read wrong, sometimes, or easily written wrong.
Long story short- Jessica is on lots of other forums, and she is very informative, so she's not just on here to pick fights, and from talking to her on other forums, I know that for a fact. I think this was all caused by posts being taken wrong on BOTH sides of the argument, maybe one side more than the other, but there was definitely mis-communication.
That's my opinion on the subject. I think TLH is a great forum overall, so not taking either side on this subject. Just thought you would like to hear more about her from someone who knows her a little more than just her username. I'm not expecting you to un-ban her or whatever, as frankly, I don't really care. I just don't want her to be thought of as someone who is looking for a fight.
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Post by crazyferretlady on Nov 10, 2009 21:16:31 GMT -5
I appreciate that Crystal announced it.
I was a member of a savings board when suddenly some of it's regular members started "disappearing". These were people who I knew only through their posts. So one day I questioned it - I made a post "what happened to so & so" - my post was deleted. No explanation. Luckily one of the women had helped me with ebay so I was able to contact her through her ebay selling name and found out what had happened. I won't go into what had happened with the people that were being banned but it wasn't justified and those of us left behind were in the dark. Most of us are now at a new board started by one of the former banned members.
So thank you Crystal for not keeping me in the dark. You did start this board so if you feel someone is not adhering to the rules - which they agree to when they sign up - then buh-bye!
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Post by cltomp on Nov 10, 2009 21:44:01 GMT -5
I haven't said a lot on this post... mainly because it was done and over with. But I too support Crystal and the other mods. It is nice to know what is going on. And I was very very glad to know that the behavior was taken care of. There is nothing worse then getting on to do your morning ferret forum reading to see cursing on the forum. This is my only forum and I love being active and being on this forum...... what I dont like is when people make other members, esp. newer members who are trying to learn stuff and be better fuzzy parents, feel bad or put them down like Buzy Izzy had pointed out with the Duh comment. My personal belief is we are all here to support our love for fuzzies and help each other out with an animal that has little research done about it. This forum is my support community for an animal which very little people know about or understand. I come here for knowledge, fun and games, and just someone to talk to. What I dont come here for is to listen to people get way to upset over things and start throwing verbal punches. I commend the moderators for the good job they have done since I have belonged to this board. They are here to serve a purpose when people can't figure out when to walk away from the keyboard, and they do that well on this board. They usually try to let things ride its course until something needs to be said, I mean more then once I have read something and went OMG I cant believe the mods let them say that, but at as the threads progress the disscussion is almost always turned into a positive discussion. Unfortunely this time, this person for whatever reason was not able to do that, I don't believe that is the fault of the Mods, nor does that make the board unfriendly. I think that the blame belongs on the individual. Everyone knows what she did, now everyone knows what happened. Its no different then reading a police blotter in the paper.
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Post by Busy Izzy on Nov 11, 2009 0:11:45 GMT -5
Aside from her literally AND intentionally breaking the forum rules, WLOW almost always had a condescending way about her posts, ESPECIALLY her responses. It was like her way was the only way. Now sure, she might not have "known" that, but there were times (in other "dramas") when people, including Mod's, tried to make her aware but she just "didn't get it" or just ignored it, and continued. There was also her history of "snapping" on occasion (more than once) on members AS WELL AS Mods.... And THEN threatening Crystal. NO, no one intentionally insulted Jessica, but I don't think she meant to insult anyone, either. We all have times where we don't pick the exact right words, and something comes out TOTALLY wrong. Text can be read wrong, sometimes, or easily written wrong. Here is proof positive that she DID mean to insult... Now your just playing stupid...or you really are stupid. And yes now I AM being rude. * * * * this forum I'm out. There are forums out there where people are actually nice. (I removed the offensive word) This was "intentionally" typed with spaces to BYPASS the filters, and was directed at this forum, not just Fizzle!!! ...If I didn't know Jessica, though, and I saw this announcement stating that she was banned, I would be leary of her on other forums, and she doesn't deserve that criticism. If she was JUST on this forum, it wouldn't be so bad, but she's very active on several forums. This is WHY it should be known... Just because things are "peachy" with her on other boards, doesn't mean they are here. If she can be a "loose cannon", then some might benefit from knowing that. Let alone keeping the members here informed (as CFL and others said). It wasn't criticism... It was the reasons for her being banned. Lastly... I agree with you Claudettebillie... The Lazy Hammock IS a great forum. That is why I stick around. And I'm not picking sides per sei, but I DO agree with the ban AND the announcement of it. That's my take on it at least... Good Night. Matt K. |
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Post by joclyn on Nov 11, 2009 1:21:47 GMT -5
i'm glad the admins & mods here are open and forthcoming about things that are happening - whether it's a site issue, a member issue on the site or a member issue off the site.
and i'm extremely glad to see that they set rules and UPHOLD them - regardless of whether it's a minor infraction or a major one.
i wish more ferret forums and other types of forums were like this!
in the time i've been a part of this forum, i've seen people go against the stated rules and i've seen them reprimanded about it - some were public and some were private. always, there's been some kind of comment from staff - very nicely stated - to remind the members that the rules are there for a reason and need to be adhered to.
the way wlow acted here is the way she acts on every forum that i see her on (6 others). sometimes she's pleasant and sometimes she's not. when she's not, she's goes very quickly from unpleasant to downright nasty.
and that happens whenever anyone has a different view about something, or, god forbid, actually says she's wrong about something.
not a one of us knows everything there is to know - about ferrets or anything else. the whole reason we're on these forums is to learn and to share what we know. sometimes we find that what we thought was right is exactly that; other times we'll find that we had incomplete or even totally wrong information.
gotta take the 'i was right' along with the 'i was wrong' and no, she doesn't 'get' that. nor does she 'get' it when someone tries to help her to see that.
on other forums, her posting priviledges have been restricted on a temporary basis and she has also been permanantly banned from at least 3, that i know. for exactly the reasons she was banned from here.
it was definitely justified. no doubt about it. since her user account wasn't deleted, anyone who doesn't believe it can go back and read through her posts and see that there is valid reason for the action that was taken by staff.
yes, she has some good info that she's relayed - no doubt about that either. that fact doesn't outway the way she disrespected everyone here - the people she's attacked; the staff and the rest of the members, too.
there's enough negativity and incorrect information about ferrets out there already. someone who acts as she does only deters newbies from sticking around long enough to learn what they need to to provide good care for their fuzzies. and, what's worse, people who act like that cause people to stop posting and/or leave the site. so, even if people are sticking around, the correct info isn't being relayed.
i've seen a dozen forums (not all are ferret-related) fall apart indirectly due to people acting like this. the reason the sites fell apart is because staff didn't deal with the issue.
and that issue is: rules are there for a reason and need to be followed and if they aren't action will be taken - uniformly towards all members and staff (no picking and choosing and allowing 'friends' to get away with behaviour that's against the rules).
as an admin or a mod on various forums, i know how hard it can be to make a decision like this.
the well-being of the whole HAS to take precedence over the individual.
thank you for doing what needed to be done.
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Post by Darklight on Nov 11, 2009 2:08:40 GMT -5
To Joclyn:  |
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Post by claudettebillie on Nov 11, 2009 8:45:22 GMT -5
Guess what I said wasn't taken the way I meant it.
I'm NOT, in any way, shape, or form saying that this ban wasn't right. I've seen some of the things she said, and I probably would have banned her, too.
She did mean to insult on that quote, because someone replied to her post, and she took it as an insult. Like I said, she's not one to just let the insults come at her. The ORIGINAL posts that were replied to by mods, like the ones where she goes I think you guys mentioned "duh.." she didn't mean anything negative.
That's still my opinion. I've talked to her about other bans (not this one specifically) and I've gotten her point of view about it.
If you want to PM me, I'll say more, but these posts are more public.
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Post by saplantlady on Nov 11, 2009 10:16:10 GMT -5
Guess what I said wasn't taken the way I meant it. I'm NOT, in any way, shape, or form saying that this ban wasn't right. I've seen some of the things she said, and I probably would have banned her, too. She did mean to insult on that quote, because someone replied to her post, and she took it as an insult. Like I said, she's not one to just let the insults come at her. The ORIGINAL posts that were replied to by mods, like the ones where she goes I think you guys mentioned "duh.." she didn't mean anything negative. That's still my opinion. I've talked to her about other bans (not this one specifically) and I've gotten her point of view about it. If you want to PM me, I'll say more, but these posts are more public. i really don't feel that continuing this conversation about WLOW is even needed. look threebrutalweasals obviously came on here to defend or snoop about her. (we can see alot more about where and who a member is then everyone else can) There is no other side to the story, WLOW was banned for very obvious reason. Who she is on another forum doesn't matter, it was simply who she was here and how she was received and she presented herself in her threads, responses and pm's on this forum claudette, I really don't think you need to defend her. if she was at all worried about her reputation she wouldn't have carried on so many times about so much. she's banned and I guess can add ours to list of forums she no longer welcome from what you say, let's move on members and get back to enjoying our love for ferrets together. |
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Post by zoologist on Nov 13, 2009 13:23:17 GMT -5
this is a comment having to do with banning people in general, not weloveourweasels I think since this is such a small forum with a group of maybe 15 regulars it is nice to know when one of the regulars has been banned. Although, personally, if a moderator has a reason to ban someone i dont nessesarily think it needs to be mentioned. a good "because i said so!" to the general members with a more indepth reasoning posted to the moderators would do just fine  In other forums i've ventured to, not ferret forums, when a member is banned it says so on their profile and next to their username/avatar. where the "ferret lover" moniker would be, instead is the word "banned" it helps new users identify that the member is no longer active. where it says the account is activated on their profile it might be helpful to change that to banned. Perhaps if a general user wanted to know WHY that user was banned they could PM a moderator to find out. just my two cents  |
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Post by vkoslin on Nov 30, 2009 23:39:28 GMT -5
I saw this and wanted to say that I, as I told Matt recently, I may not agree with a lot of people, but I am dang sure I have a LOT of respect for you guys. The mods, the creator of the site, and "regulars". Have not only probably saved many ferret lives in their own world, but through this site with their knowledge.
I stand by whatever they say because I respect them. I enjoy this forum, have had no problems, and would stand by these guys through and through.
There are many other forums out there to join.
If it's any consolation, I do remember weloveweasels phrasing things that I felt offended by but I always let it slide because I thought she was one of the respected regulars, and kept my mouth shut. So far, she was the only one on this site I felt a little disrespected by, though she did have good advice, hidden behind the not-so-good-phrasing.
Anyways, all in all, I'm glad you posted this. It is your right to do so, and it is our right as members to see a threat to our board. Bravo!
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Crystal is very good about informing our members when something happens that may effect us all. Being honest and upfront about TLH issues is appreciated by the majority of our members. I for one like being kept "in the loop".
